AccidentalRenaissance has no active moderators due to Reddit’s unprecedented API changes, and has thus been privated to prevent vandalism.
Resignation letters:
Openminded_Skeptic - https://imgur.com/a/WwzQcac
VoltasPistol - https://imgur.com/a/lnHSM4n
We welcome you to join us in our new homes:
https://kbin.social/m/AccidentalRenaissance
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/accidentalrenaissance
Thank you for all your support!
Original post from r/ModCoord
Argh, why make 2 communities? >_< Pick one damnit :D
I’m going to the blahaj one
Anyway well done for recognizing the ship is rapidly disintegrating.
I was thinking the same thing, it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
It’s kind of a massive part of Lemmys design, so I would disagree.
We’re going to end up with duplicate instances all over the place. That’s just the reality of things. Some of them will become the more popular versions and others will be abandoned, but there’s little point to complaining about it.
Yeah I understand that duplicates will pop up from different people, just found it weird that they would create 2 separate ones themselves. It’s hard to find which one to join when both are similar levels of active and I don’t love the idea of having to subscribe to both and go to both if I want to see what’s being posted. I assumed it was unfamiliarity with how the instances worked but didn’t think about seeing if kbin or lemmy would end up being more popular, that does makes sense.
What’s wrong with subscribing to both? Then you’d have both in your feed; you wouldn’t have to go anywhere.
But yeah we also wanted to make sure to get the name in a couple of places. Didn’t expect our resignation letters & whatnot to go a bit more public and get influxes of users and all.
I’m assuming seeing duplicate posts from the two all the time would be the reason why you wouldn’t sub to both. Unless there’s like some extensions or something that stop that kinda thing? I’m fairly new to this kind of thing so educate me if I’m wrong
They aren’t connected except that the same mods run them. We don’t, or haven’t so far, posted duplicate posts. So that shouldn’t be an issue.
And then we’re also paying attention and when it seems appropriate, we will likely close down one and redirect traffic to the one we keep up.
it’s counterintuitive to the whole point of Lemmy lol
Actually no, it is not. Having multiple smaller communities works to the benefit of users in the Fediverse. One server might be down, and people in those communities can find another community on a different instance to continue discussion until the community of their instance choice comes back up.
By that logic it makes more sense to have one community mirrored over multiple instances. If one instance goes down the others just take over. No hassle for the users.
I do think it would be beneficial if there was a way to have “super communities” or “sub-federation,” where communities with similar topics can opt in to the feature. Thus if a person subscribes to one of the communities with that feature, other communities with similar topics will appear in that thread.
Ultimately, this would retain decentralization while increasing community discovery, which is a benefit to end-users.
Yeah people have thrown around the idea of eventually doing something like that. So like you’d subscribe to “AccidentalRenaissance” and get all communities with that name as one feed or whatever.
Hope that happens.
But the point is to have different people in charge in case anyone gets full of themselves. See: reddit
It’s a good idea actually and I could see maybe having some different mods and/or handing over one to someone else at some point.
Yeah I think people are trying to force/recreate Reddit in its entirety on a single platform, and that’s not going to happen.
And I didn’t think of it, but yeah having one to check out when the other one’s down is good.
I got a response from them on Reddit:
We didn’t know which platform would take off, and we were nervous that because Kbin and Lemmy are so similar one platform might shut down in some sort of consolidation down the road. Also when we made them, each had very serious drawbacks for our media (Lemmy needs a lot of clicking to access the media, while kbin turned any media that wasn’t in a 3:4 aspect ratio into a funhouse mirror.) So each of us took a community and somewhere down the line we’ll re-evaluate.
That makes a lot of sense.
I was tempted to go with kbin when I switched, because it just looks cleaner and better designed. I’m not sure why kbin isn’t more popular, but I’m sticking with the pack right now on lemmy.
Personally I started with kbin and think the dev of it is great. But it’s simply not as far along IMO. At least when I was using it, it was critically missing the ability to collapse comments. That single feature is huuuuge for me and probably the most prominent thing that got me to switch to Lemmy.
It also doesn’t have an API yet, which means that mobile apps aren’t likely to target it. Though I’ve personally been using a browser cause I haven’t found any apps to be good enough yet.
Also, the notifications of kbin felt very buggy to me. I missed a lot of notifications and even when they worked, they don’t show the notification or even what the thread title is, so you have to click each one individually. IIRC, clicking the notification also didn’t work if your comment wasn’t on the first page of comments.
It’s still lacking the collapse a comment ability! I am like when are they going to fix that?
But it’s a much much newer instance. We’ll see, but I think it has potential.
From what I understand, /kbin is not as mature. It’s still an early beta. I’m not sure who designed Lemmy’s ui but it could use some spit polish.
I like how Lemmy looks simpler and more lightweight. Also Kbin is trying to do 2 things instead of focusing on one thing and I don’t think that’s a good idea.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely, I think it’s just some good old fashioned misunderstanding. Looks like they’ve set up separate user accounts on Lemmy and Kbin too.
Given that one of those resignations talks about Beehaw like it’s a separate platform entirely
They might as well be, honestly.
Yeah, kind of a strange choice to split like that. Are they intending to start crossposting to both communities?
Maybe they didn’t realize lemmy and kbin can all visit the same community?
I subscribed yesterday. Will have to check which one it is!
This is most likely it. They sound like 2 different sites before you get here and realize how interconnected everything is.
There’s a quote from them further up someone posted. They just weren’t 100% sold on any site because they said neither quite fit what they wanted. So they started up two to see how they develop and which they prefer down the line.
I understand their feelings about that, but that seems like a dumb idea in the long one.
They’re dividing up their user base, and they’re going to have different conversations on each of those two servers that they’ll have to hop back and forth on if they want to get the whole experience.
Well, more power to them. I’ve subbed to the Lemmy version at least.
I’m sure eventually there’ll be a means to merge them at the client end.
The problem is that if you have two communities with exactly the same purpose, then that will encourage people to duplicate posts to both. This splits up discussions into two separate comment threads. Also, merging these communities at the client end will cause you to see any duplicated posts twice 😅
True. But if the client can see the duplicate and merge the post plus the comments from both posts into one on the user’s device, it would be transparent to the user. We’re just not there yet.
I think the same would also be useful where the same article (post) is made on multiple subs (communities / magazines) within a certain time window. It’s annoying seeing the same post multiple times in /all.
Yeah, I really hate the fragmentation because of that. Reddit admittedly had this problem too, but it didn’t feel like the same degree.
I think it also is a barrier to growing a community because it can sometimes take some time for it to be clear which community is the biggest one. To avoid duplication, I usually only join the biggest community of each “type” and it’s not always obvious which one that is.
I mean it was like that on Reddit too. I would see the same articles posted on r/gaming, r/gamers, r/truegamers, etc. It’s not really a problem unique to Lemmy/Kbin
It’s not going to be twice the content though. It’s either going to be split between the two, or, most likely, just seeing double-posts as one is crossposted to the other
I just checked out KBin for the first time. Yes there’s a lot of duplicated communities on there but the site itself has quite a nice UI. Like a more updated version of Lemmy keeping the simpl9icity but not going balls-to-the-wall modern like Reddit.
I’ve signed up and think I’ll be using both. I don’t see a problem with this. Sometimes I get a bit bored of Lemmy’s stories not updating so I’ll switch to KBin and see what’s going on.
It’s no different than when I used to get bored of Reddit and would check out BBC News or YouTube for stuff.
I like choice.
Nobody said anything about choice. But you can use your kbin account to read lemmy communities through kbin, and you can use lemmy account to read kbin communities through lemmy. There’s just no reason to have 2 communities.
We weren’t sure which to go with; also… there was a whole thing with the creator of the OG sub; we were a bit concerned that they would create those and just sit on them, so we wanted to go ahead and have at least one or two places for AR.
So we did one on lemmy and one on kbin (I think I put one on like… squabbles too?) (I should check that…) and will kinda go with whichever takes off.
For everyone who told us that they’d never taken a single art class and they could mod this place better with their eyes closed… Well, consider this a golden opportunity! It’s going to be tricky doing it with your eyes closed ever since Reddit’s painfully botched rollout of “disability friendly” mod tools in their disasterpiece of a mobile app has caused nothing but crashes and bugs, but you seemed so confident in the many (many, many, many) times you’ve expressed this opinion that we can only assume you know something about modding that we don’t!
Is such a fun line.
test comment.
edit of test comment
edit from culprit browser
edit with only one add-on deactivated
Oh my god that was annoying! But yes. Now, I am okay.
Firefox wasn’t letting me comment, reply to comments, or edit my comments. I even dragged my home instance’s moderator into helping me debug which I feel terrible about. (Especially because I originally described it as a federation error, only later realizing that the glitch was happening on reddthat as well as federated instances.)
After various debugging attempts, he told me to deactivate my extensions… which I hadn’t tried for some reason… and it worked instantly. My Bionic Reader Firefox extension in particular turned out being the source of the problem. And now I feel like I’ve wasted my mod’s time trying to debug something that he had no control over, but other than that? I’m okay.
Thanks for asking.
I mean… Idk why… but I love it… imagining you pulling your hair out trying to troubleshoot this… haha…
Been there done that…
Cheers mate!
That’s fine. Bound to happen sooner or later with other users anyway. Next time when the mod debug a similar issue, they’ll remember to ask the user to deactivate extensions first.
Your user name would have been a fun notification to receive while troubleshooting ahaaha
I don’t think there’s a lot of blind people going to r/AccidentalRenaissance anyway.
Actually, we did have a small contingent of visually impaired people who enjoyed the subreddit, even if they had to zoom way in to see the details. Most people who are legally blind still have some vision and they still love pleasing arrangements of pixels.
That’s why we’re trying to make the Lemmy and kbin instances more accessible by adding image transcriptions where possible, a paragraph description explaining the details in the photo so mostly-blind people can enjoy them more.
Also, like, half the mod team is some flavor of disabled, and us cripples gotta stick together.
I’m still learning transcription so feedback for what works and what doesn’t will be helpful!
Oh please please please. And the companion suicide and kamikaze subs too. All absolute gems.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !accidentalrenaissance@lemmy.blahaj.zone
It also works in the /c/ and /m/ formats for the web version of Lemmy (not sure if kbin has the same)
FWIW, in Memmy, the latter is recognized as a URL and clickable, but takes me to a “page not found” page on my home server. The former is not clickable.
I’ve updated my comment to specify that it works on the web version. I’m sure each app will have a different implementation of linking to communities.
I think that may happen when those communities haven’t federated on your instance. You should be able to copy the link and search for it on your instance, it usually takes several seconds for it to appear because it needs to resolve the link to the community.
Once someone is subscribed to that community in your instance, those links should work as expected. At least, that’s my understanding of it.
This is the sort of action I love to see. Reddit thinks they own the moderators who are working for free. They want slaves. Fuck them.
From the very start, ever subreddit should have challenged Reddit and called their bluff. Go ahead, replace the mods for thousands of subreddits. If a few dozen are changed, that’s no problem. Whatever. But thousands? Good luck.
The whole protest seemed so half-hearted from the start. You don’t go on strike with a set end-date in mind. You go on strike indefinitely until demands are met or a satisfactory compromise is made.
I will say that the short blackout was enough to get me onto the Fediverse. I didn’t even use the apps that would be affected by the API shutdown, so I never would have noticed the controversy without the blackout.
But once the blackout was announced, I recognized how far reddit was willing to go in service of harvesting its users’ data. And after that point, I just didn’t feel good on the site anymore. (Granted, I first created an account on Mastodon because the people calling for blackouts never mentioned Lemmy. But still!)
Between Facebook’s notification system repeatedly failing to direct me to comment replies, Twitter DDoSing itself, and reddit turning into the Eye of Sauron (which, again, I would not have even noticed happening were it not for the short protest), it seemed like the perfect time to exit the sinking ship of corporate social media.
Meaning they did something. Maybe they didn’t avert the reddit apocalypse, but they still did something.
When the blackouts started no one had a clue which of the alternatives would stand out as a viable option.
True, but it got people (eg me) started on actually looking for alternatives.
Not being very tech savvy, the reddit summaries post backout helped alot too.
Same. Investigated why there was a blackout, found out Reddit was screwing over RIF in a big way and felt disgusted enough to look for Reddit alternatives. Here we are!
There was never a chance for compromise. This was about money; a premature, over blown, knee jerk, pie-in-the-sky hope to cash in on free expert input based on decades of good will interactions performed for free by people who cared about their subject matter.
I deleted every comment I’d ever made and left pretty much immediately. They can eat their own shit.
Don’t forget to go back a week out and verify that your deleted comments didn’t mysteriously reappear. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately, according to various reports. (I haven’t really had the heart to go delete all of my own comments. Yet.)
Get your account banned, boom, comments gone. If you want to cause additional pain GDPR request on your banned account every 30 days. They still have to comply with requests as long as they hold your data. Make them work even though you don’t use the site.
I heard one guy had manually deleted their comments only to find sometime later they were restored.
On a couple I saw my name deleted but not the comment. I assumed it was sluggishness or something. I didn’t have much to delete even though I’d been there 12? years so I’m not going to… oh, also deleted account(s) so guess whatever they do is in their hands now anyway.
I was saying this from day one, we aren’t teachers or nurses or someone who may feel they owe society some information about their strike.
People literally could not promise to stay away from a website for a week. The strike should have been indefinite it was our chance to try and save it. Now it’s lost to me.
I never wanted to save Reddit in the first place. I was glad that spez finally screwed it up badly enough to prompt people to leave in large numbers, and I was glad that the protest was too half-hearted to restore the status quo. Fuck centralised, corporate-owned social media.
I’ve gone full soapbox preacher on federation of late, but it almost feels like trying to explain the internet to someone without a computer in 1998. It’s amazing the amount of people who have said stuff like
“Yeah but YouTube can’t just do whatever they want on the platform…”
Hopefully Threads will be the wake up call for the masses.
Because they can’t bear to touch grass for more than 2 days and can’t live without their power trip
That’s fair. I was also thinking how you can potentially whip up your own instance if you become unhappy oth your current one. Or if you don’t like the moderation of a community you can start using a similar community on a different instance. There is a lot more freedom of choice here!
If an instance owner could think of imaginative ways of funding or if Lemmy adds things like purchasable awards for funding (I know… I can hear everyone’s eyes roll collectively) then Instances could even pay moderators if they really wanted to.
Lemmy can be whatever it wants to be.
I donate to the open source hosting that’s hosting this lemmy instance fediservices.nz seems like a good model for now
Oh god, I hope this is satire, the last thing Lemmy needs is more confused new-age Redditors.
You don’t really get it, do you? Most of the mods in their respective communities cared about fostering a thriving community for their interests. Yes, power hungry mods who only do it out of power tripping exist, but those mods are the ones who are likely staying. The passionate ones, the ones who made the site, are leaving.
So now when everyone’s favorite subreddit gets installed with a bunch of new power-hungry mods, things aren’t going to be quality. There will be tons of shit flinging, tons of splitting the userbase and the general quality of the community will cease existing.
Free labor is replaceable. But passionate people are not.
Brother, you’re trolling while talking Chan - maybe hop offline for a bit.
Oh no, not the heckin replaceable free labor
You’re allowed to cuss on here.
Shit fuck piss tit.
See? Nobody cares.
You know, for replaceable free labor, /r/interestingasfuck has seen none of its free labor replaced for over 3 weeks now.
Oh damn, that’s us!!
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
So, yeah, a lot of people are hating on us for creating one of Kbin and one on Lemmy, but we had our reasons: Basically, neither handled images very well and we saw that these two services did basically the same thing and that typically leads to the weaker project getting cancelled down the line, so we decided our safest bet was just to make one of each, just in case. Better safe than sorry.
We might consolidate them later, but for now just pick whichever you like best. :)
Just want to say, “it’s been swell, but the swelling’s gone down” is a fantastic turn of phrase that I will be stealing
We’d wondered where the nearly 1.9k subscribers came from completely out of nowhere!
LoL, that’s really great! 🤣🤣🤣
Basically, neither handled images very well
You can always use these to upload image
On lemmy you can use this code to display image
It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.
We were like, “Shit… Is… Is this on purpose? Are the people behind kbin some kind of weirdos who believe in 3:4 aspect ratio supremacy??” so we thought, “Eh… Maybe we’d better make a Lemmy too, in case kbin doesn’t figure their shit out”.
Because, honestly? Our faith in humanity was at an all-time low and we were running out of time before people began leaving reddit for new platforms. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks, right?
It wasn’t the way images uploaded, it was more that kbin’s image previews absolutely skullfucked the aspect ratio of anything that wasn’t roughly in a 3:4 aspect ratio, making a bunch of deeply touching photos look like goofy funhouse mirrors.
I can only suggest to use mobile app. So far I don’t see any problem with image handling on mobile app. On desktop and mobile browser you might want to use voyager https://vger.app
It isn’t personal preference, I’m trying to do what’s best for my community, mobile and desktop users alike.
Are you going to merge/consolidate the topics/posts from each of the two servers with each other, or just keep two sets of posts/topics, one on each server?
We feel it’s still too soon to make that choice but it’s a possibility in the future.
We probably wouldn’t delete it, just leave a link at the top explaining we’ve migrated and lock it so it isn’t accepting new posts.
I wouldn’t want someone who submitted a treasured photo and got a bunch of positive feedback to lose it forever in the name of ruthless efficiency.
Yeah that’s a good option that I WISH Reddit had… had. But only for the creator maybe?
By the way I’m commenting this on the mlmym thing you made!
Well I didn’t make that, I found it. Reddit used to have a bunch of these too. Anyway I saw someone ask the admin of the server to incorporate it and make it available if you went to old.Lemmy.world. He said maybe. @ruud please?
To add to that, there was a bit of a time limit in which we had reason to believe we needed to secure the name so that it wouldn’t be taken by certain persons and then just sat upon with no activity.
