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- moseschrute@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
But you have a Daddy and Mommy who love you!
And, a Windows Home Server! Does that make you happy?
They had me until windows
- wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
I’m usually a Windows “shill” or at least a casual defender of it, as I work in a Windows environment and it’s not as bad as people pretend it is. No shade against Linux, I love it and Windows is bad. Just not like “I’d rather self-castrate” bad.
Anyway…
But for a home server? Either be super lazy and set up samba shares from your Windows desktop for the drives (avoid having a server at all) or bite the bullet and use Linux. You’ll get so much more out of a Linux server that it’s not even funny.
- 10 months
I’d rather run a rusty nail through my sack than booting Windows
- wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
Have fun with that then. Sorry about your balls.
If you’re competent and technologically saavy enough to use a Linux distro as your daily driver, you can learn to make Windows work for you too.
Waste of effort if you don’t need to interact with any Windows environments for school or work, but definitely possible.
For me? I’m happy to get paid to automate shit using PowerShell that should have been basic built in functionality from the start. PowerShell is just the most convenient scripting language due to being packed-in with most Windows installs, and tons of built in functionality for interfacing with other Microsoft products. So as long as Microsoft keeps sucking, I’ve got a comfy paycheck.
And if the year of the Linux desktop ever finally happens? I’m ready, I’ll be cheering, and I’ll be ready to get paid helping companies to make the switch.
- msage@programming.devEnglish10 months
After learning too much about Linux it’s impossible for me to use Windows.
It hurts me at every step, making me question my life and everyones sanity who handles that stuff.
It’s very very bad and nobody will pry Gentoo from my hands.
10 monthsIt’s very rough coming back after 20+ years. Easy things on Linux quickly become a wasted day going down six trillion rabbit holes on Windows before you can even accomplish your seemingly simple task. Most problems in Windows are much more easily resolved by booting into Linux to make the repairs.
- Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
The few times I tried bash it was awful.
At least Powershell let’s me manipulate data more freely and organized.But Linux has way cooler packages (Window Server 2025 finally implemented winget ootb).
- msage@programming.devEnglish10 months
I have not used PowerShell that much, because I’m so used to bash that it felt foreign.
There are other shells you can try, more modern, perhaps they will be more to your liking.
- Colloidal@programming.devEnglish10 months
I work with Windows and it’s AWFUL. Did you know the taskbar is a fucking ELECTRON APP? Everything is so slow. And you have to go through hoops to do what you want, and that setting isn’t available in the settings electron app, you have to go through these 5 screens to find the magic button that opens the win 95 style dialog box to set what you want. It’s so So SO BAD.
- Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
I’m using it 95% of my time with it by remoting with a program to the server and experience reduced window quality and speed anyway.
I want it finishing the task and not look pretty.And ew. 95 theme. How old are you? At least use Aero/flat and then log off to reduce the 0.5% load from the active user session
- Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
I think they are trying to exaggerate how very outdated some Windows UI elements look (primarily dialog boxes?). I doubt they would use a 95 theme on an OS that’s hard to theme and annoying to use.
- 10 months
Yeah, Windows isn’t that bad, but it’s not that good either. On servers, everything requires a million clicks or some random terminal command that’s impossible to find documentation for (was just passed down from senior to junior over the ages). I had to configure one for testing (embedded product that needed to work in Windows environments as well as Linux), and it took hours to do the most basic task. Granted, none of us were sysadmins, just devs, but we weren’t familiar with Linux or Windows servers, just desktops, and Linux was by far easier to configure.
Don’t pick Windows for your server without a good reason, you’ll get much more value from learning Linux than Windows.
- Hotzilla@sopuli.xyzEnglish10 months
I must admit, my home rack server runs hyper-v, it is free and I have MSDN. Of course inside the hyper-v I run ten linux boxes.
Proxmox really didn’t exists before and I didn’t want to use VMware.
Next one I will do with proxmox.
Please dont judge me.
One day our Linux servers were hosed at work because the Windows server hosting them got all fucked up during Cloudstrike. I’ll never understand why you’d host Linux on Windows rather than the other way around.
- 10 months
I was about to do the same, had the USB stick prepared and everything, then I tried proxmox. Just lucked out.
The book was written to sell Windows Home Server. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Home_Server
Still cool.
And actually not a bad idea from MS, but I’m sure they killed it with MSification.
- 10 months
@MimicJar @moseschrute *touches finger to earpiece*
…hang on, I’m getting word that the most recent edition of this book will crash your nvram’s firmware
- A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish10 months
THE CLOUD — MORE MAGNIFICENT UP CLOSE THAN I COULD HAVE IMAGINED FROM AFAR…
IN DATACENTROPOLIS, WE DREAMED OF ATTAINING SAFE PASSAGE TO THE UTOPIA.
I feel like it would be easier to learn Linux, even if you still used windows for desktop
- muhyb@programming.devEnglish10 months
That’s probably true if you consider Linux server vs Windows server. Windows server sucks.
- wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
Windows Server is less of a general use server, and more of just a staging platform for Microsoft’s other specific server based software installs. And even a lot of those don’t co-mingle on the same server well.
- muhyb@programming.devEnglish10 months
I mean, even Microsoft doesn’t give a shit about Windows server since Azure runs on Linux. :)
- wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
Exchange Server is effectively dead mid October too. Technically they have Exchange Server SE as an option, but it’s clearly not how they want people using Exchange anymore. They don’t even want hybrid setups.
Which is extra annoying because if you have Azure AD (I guess it’s Entra ID now) syncing from an on prem AD forest, half of the mailbox management shit in Exchange Online just doesn’t work and forces you to make the changes on-prem anyway.
- 18107@aussie.zoneEnglish10 months
I use it in a VM because it’s better than Windows 10, some programs refuse to run on Linux, and I don’t need to provide the VM with an internet connection.
My actual server is an old laptop and it does not run Windows.
Even my friend who insists that Windows is superior still uses Linux for his gaming server because it’s easier to set up and manage.
- Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
Your friend is wise.
He uses the a specific tool for a specific task. - muhyb@programming.devEnglish10 months
That’s actually fine. Though why not regular Windows 7, is there a special task for your VM?
- 18107@aussie.zoneEnglish10 months
It was the best option at the time, and I didn’t feel like setting up Windows more than once as I gradually added new software and removed other software.
That particular VM doesn’t get booted very often anymore.
- DacoTaco@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Im guessing though. I remember seeing it on 4chan as a teenager so thats between 2006 and 2010 or aomething :p
- Lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
Well, considering it hasn’t existed in years, I think you can imagine the answer to your question 😅
- Hello Hotel@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
I initially just thought it was bad english, TIL “Windows Home Server” is a proper noun.
- The Hobbyist@lemmy.zipEnglish10 months
It’s on the very first page, opposite to the office server page, and they acknowledge the Author does not exist and that it’s basically an ad for Windows server.
- jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish10 months
This is cute except for the windows name drop. Is this book a Microsoft ad?
I’m pretty sure it came out around the time of Windows home server
- AceBonobo@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Why does daddy spend more time with the server than with mommy?
- HexadecimalSky@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
The home server never cheated on him and had a fling with windows
- A7thStone@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
It’s a Windows home server, how else is he going too keep it up.
- notarobot@lemmy.zipEnglish10 months
It’s clearly the old Microsoft. Current Microsoft would be “Microsoft windows azure home server 365 copilot+Server cloud” (yes it says server twice)
- ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Yes, but current MS Azure+buzzwerds actually works.
WHS was as very, very bad layer on top of NTFS.
Your server isn’t working today.
This is because Microsoft wants you to finish setting up your PC that has been running for ten years.
- ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
WHS wasn’t working then either.
It was an awful piece of software, you were better off just pirating Windows Server 2003r2 Standard and using the software raid5 over the WHS flaky overlay system.
- RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyzEnglish10 months
I wonder if there’s some technical benefit to it. Being familiar with Windows is one benefit ofc but not a technical one.
- Simulation6@sopuli.xyzEnglish10 months
Man with a hammer rule definitely applies to SAs. If your skills are in Micro$oft then every problem is best solved with MS, even when it isn’t.
I tried to come up with a gender-neutral way of saying ‘man with a hammer’ and failed. Please make some suggestions for me.
- tiramichu@sh.itjust.worksEnglish10 months
A person with a hammer? Why does it need to be difficult :P
Or just go with direct address
“If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.”
- 10 months
Yup, that’s the form I’m familiar with. Most idioms avoid gender entirely.
At first I didn’t noticed the 2nd image, and started wondering what kind of children book this is :P
Plenty of age appropriate “birds and bees” books out there, this is a “packets and pings” one.
- Zozano@aussie.zoneEnglish10 months
Sometimes mommy drops on her knees and let’s the denial of service attack happen, as dozens of clients simultaneously POST small binary blobs all over her modest server rack.
I am of the mind that servers belong in restaurants.
Like… Why do I need someone to take my order and bring me a meal at an office?
- itslola@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Of all the American vernacular for job titles, “server” is probably the one that makes my poor Aussie brain glitch most frequently. While you’re wondering why people are bringing you a meal in the office, I’m looking at the same sentence and wondering why diners are being forced to work as sysadmins over dinner.
- 10 months
What’s wrong with “server”? They serve you food, much like a computer server serves files.
I think it’s much better than “waiter” (which we also use) because I want them to bring food, not wait.
- some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
It makes me think of a machine, not a person. I prefer to just use “staff”
- itslola@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Yeah, I tend to use “staff” or sometimes “waitstaff” to describe them, particularly in cafes, where the owner and/or manager might also be waiting tables. “Waiter” or “waitress” I’d mostly use when recounting something that happened while eating out, and I’m trying to specify who’s who in the story.
- itslola@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Hmmm, well, the “wait” in waiter/waitress/waitstaff refers to the act of serving someone, usually in a restaurant or cafe. (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wait-on?topic=providing-and-serving-meals.) Like a lot of words in English, “wait” has more than one meaning.
There’s nothing wrong with “server”, per se, other than that we already had an established set of words for that role, and a server was also an existing word for a piece of IT equipment prior to US vernacular shifting (somewhere between the 90s and the 2010s, I think - we’ve always had a lot of US media pumped into Australia, but the vocab used to align on this one when I was a kid, and then at some point it changed).
Not saying Americans should do things the way we do it (vive la difference), just that the linguistic shift still throws me off. It would probably confuse me less if you’d always called them servers.
- 10 months
We also use waiter/waitress, maître d’, and sometimes steward/stewardess (esp. on airplanes). There’s technically a difference:
- waiter/waitress - brings food
- server - person the customer interacts with (i.e. takes orders)
- maître d’ (hotel) - head of wait staff
- steward/stewardess - serving customers is usually a secondary duty
I think “server” has become more popular because it’s gender neutral, but “waiter/waitress” is still quite common and most don’t make the distinction between the two.
I personally like the overlap between computer server and restaurant server because both exist to provide things upon request. The term “wait” that “waiter” comes from is pretty archaic.
- nfreak@lemmy.mlEnglish10 months
I thought this was just an elaborate shitpost. that’s so unfortunate.
- Mîm@lemmy.zipEnglish10 months
It’s both I’d say. But still, shouldn’t leave a friend hanging because of that.
- rarsamx@lemmy.caEnglish10 months
Removing the word “windows” in the last frame and also “your dad installs it for your dumb mom” to “your parents install a server. Maybe your mom does it or your dad does it. Maybe you can also help!”
Teaching “children” that technical tasks are for dady to do is so cringe.
Those two little changes and it becomes a readable story.
- blargbluuk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish10 months
I agree the language should be adjusted but it doesn’t say or even imply the mom is dumb, that’s a little bit of a stretch.
- tahoe@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
Yeah it seems to be from the early 2010s, some of the wording would probably be different if it was made today
- boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish10 months
This seems to be an ad for a windows based product. I agree with your points though.
- 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish10 months
I redid this book once, changing words and some pictures to make it for Linux server. I wanted a book that made sense.
- 10 months
Swap windows home server for server on the last page and you’re done.
Until your kid is 7/8, then you need to explain why one server isn’t enough and you need a second server somewhere else for the same reasons it shows a server being important when the computer gets pee on it.
- 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish10 months
Maybe. I’ll have to see if I can find it. It’s been a few years, but I hope I do still have it. If I do, I’ll share it
- A_norny_mousse@feddit.orgEnglish10 months
Big people have a server at the “office”.
The office is a boring place where big people go and do boring things.
Offices are why big people get grumpy, and say bad words.
But guess what?
Some servers aren’t boring.
They don’t go in offices…they go in houses!
Maybe in your house!
How does it get there?
When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much,
the daddy wants to give the mommy a special gift.Not sure if serious (Fry meme)
- Int32@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
ok who the heck uses windows servers? I don’t think even microsoft does.
- 10 months
Too many businesses, lots just started with MS Small Business Server and Upgraded from there. Now they of course are all “upgrading” to MS Cloud Copilot plus max ms365 for Teams ultra or whatever they are calling it today because the CEO was convinced by their marketing Materials.
- the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish10 months
Just about every government and business. I’m guessing you’ve never had a job in IT.
- Int32@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish10 months
well, maybe for the active directory, but for pretty much anything else…
- the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish10 months
Terminal servers, sccm, SQL, software that’s only available for Windows. Companies and governments don’t consider ideology when they choose a platform. They consider “what do I need to run this product” and “what’s the TCO”. Most larger orgs will have a healthy mix of windows and *nix servers and often a separate team to manage each.
- DarkSirrush@lemmy.caEnglish10 months
I mean, I make fun of my home server all the time - its 2 old computers screwed to a wall.
- LordCrom@lemmy.worldEnglish10 months
I knew someone who threw away a laptop because the screen broke.
They see junk
I see a new home server with built in ups, just rip off the screen.
The “built-in UPS” is gonna degrade real quick, based on my experience
- Moonrise2473@feddit.itEnglish10 months
I think it depends by the manufacturer and how they programmed the charger, I got two HP ProBook that almost exclusively got used when plugged in and after a decade they can still last over two hours, instead my Thinkpad t42 with the same usage pattern now just barely holds enough for shutting down the system
