I’m holding off on Fluxer until they decide how they’re going to implement federation

Seems wise. They seem competent in the front-end/client space and complete amateurs in the (difficult) protocol space. There is no example of successful tech (that I know of) that successfully added federation/P2P after the fact. It’s not an afterthought, it probably won’t ever happen.

Don’t do Element, Matrix is a nightmare (and a significant commitment) to self host. Other servers (recently, continuwuity) are a bit better on that front, but then you run into compatibility issues and edge cases as a forever second-tier citizen.

My advice is to just go with XMPP and ejabberd, and you will find clients for all kinds of usages and people (a free-er WhatsApp takes you to Conversations/Quicksy/Cheogram/Monocles/Monal, a better banquet/IRC-style rooms takes you to gajim/fluux, social networking and group calling takes you to Movim, etc).

Personally my needs are covered by Monocles on Android, Gajim on the PC, and Movim on occasions. Using multiple clients around the same protocol and account is a strength, not a weakness.

They may or may not, what makes it relevant nonetheless is the real loophole and the ethical/legal questions that ensue.

Perhaps that’s why I don’t work in marketing, but that would buy so much goodwill and interest from the early fans if they were just embracing it. The first game is very lovable, and people loving it would probably have a look at the new one and that’s essentially free advertising. The only reason I see them doing this is because they know already that it’s bad, like, very bad.

Add ty to the tally. Fuck.

LLMs are not the tool for a recommender job

What’s your use case justifying the pain and suffering of self-hosting Matrix?

JFYI - after many years of trusting Borg with my backups, I found Kopia to be MUCH faster, in both snapshots creation time and browsing/diffing. I backup my whole home every 6 hours, so going from ~20min down to ~3min is an appreciable win. There’s also a web endpoint to Kopia that may make backing up on the go easier when you can’t trust your tunnel to home.

Nextcloud is way too bloated

It really isn’t, though? What if you deploy it from source with just the modules you need and a tuned config for PHP/postgres?

Seems to me that those are generally enabled by bots and scripting, and I don’t think it’s any harder to do that stuff in XMPP than it is in discord?

That there’s no shortage of wheels being reinvented, and that it takes insights developed over decades to be relevant in this field. To avoid.

My parents in their 70’s are alright daily driving gajim there

Essentially, yes: nowadays you can go much further without basic understanding of what’s going on. The ability to fire up magic black boxes that are somewhat functional without any configuration or understanding required is liberating at first, so it’s perfectly understandable. I don’t think it’s a panacea, though.

From previous interactions in this community, it seems all but obvious nowadays, when peoples’ experience with sysadmin in average amounts to running scripts running docker in some form.

Considering Matrix age, and precedents, my bets/hopes are for a new protocol to emerge as a “modern Matrix” (just like Matrix was marketing itself as “modern XMPP”).

Matrix just doesn’t have a great and smooth UX right now to compete with the main actors, the heavy protocol is to blame so that’s not something we can hope to see sorted out quickly/on time.

I mean, if you want Matrix AND that it works, you just install ejabberd or prosody and go on with your life. But then there’s nothing fancy to report or brag about, it just works.

I see Trilium!

I don’t think that’s a fair representation. Like for any community, you tend to hear the most about a vocal minority, and drama there was, indeed. That’s not unique to Scala, that doesn’t mean that a majority was engaged in it or was affected by it.

The point about fragmentation holds, though: Scala is a multi-paradigm language, so you tend to have communities assembling around core set of libraries and abstractions that fit their specific needs. It’s not a bad thing from an engineering perspective (you get to pick the most adequate tool for the job), but it will be intimidating at first, and understandably ridiculous when coming from a different ecosystem that you’ve a choice of a dozen or so JSON deserializing libraries. https://index.scala-lang.org/ Is a great help, though.

XMPP is what Matrix was meant to be, but 15 years too early