I just checked the playstore from the US. Same thing, not on the top 200 at all. Relay for Reddit is at 141. Fucking Truth Social is at 16. Reddit is still an editors choice app though.
My mistake I didn’t catch the automatically part. I used Relay on Reddit so I’m used to having to do it manually.
I read this as “Google attempted to track you 28 times. We don’t know specifically what they were after, but Google is known (who is doing the knowing I don’t know) to track the following information.” So basically it’s saying Google was definitely trying to get your info, and here’s a list of what they might have been after. But it’s not proof of what was actually tracked.
If you hit the three dots at the top right a menu appears and there’s an option for hide read posts. I haven’t tried it yet though to see how it works.
Ten plus years. I’d have to log in to my account to check and it’s not worth it. Quitting reddit was surprisingly easy.
When does place end?
That’s a fair point. If Relay and co hang on to a few thousand users and pay a cost per month 5x what it’s worth to reddit to have those users on its app, your right reddit might be like fuck it this works for us. At the end of the day, whatever is most profitable to reddit. For the most part, that means using the official reddit app so reddit can track you. But if some dumb devs are willing to pay more than Reddit would get from direct data harvesting, let them go. No, I think your right.
I think a few apps is key though, they want the majority of their users locked in.
Some people have trouble letting go I guess. First of all, after all that has happened why any developer would choose to continue doing business with Reddit is beyond me. Reddit has demonstrated they will shaft you on a moment’s notice (ok a month’s notice), go back on their word, lie about developers for PR points, etc. Reddit is not a good business partner.
Second, who is this even for? What percentage of Relay users are going to pay for a limited version of Reddit with usage limits? The only reason Reddit is making these deals with Relay and Narwhal is because Reddit thinks they won’t succeed in staying alive. Reddit thinks the vast majority of Relay/Narwhal users will decide its too expensive to use these apps to get a worse experience, so will end up on the official app. Reddit gets to hold these up as examples of reasonable developers who were willing to work with Reddit, unlike those crying babies that are closing their apps. And if Reddit is wrong, and Relay/Narwhal stay profitable and active, then we’re just back to point 1 - Reddit will just turn the screws on the API pricing until they get crushed.
This just feels like an abusive relationship. Dave just needs to accept reality - Reddit TPA’s are dead (and Reddit as a whole isn’t long for this world either). I’ve used Relay for years, very disappointed in the developer. I’m still deleting July 1.
Part of the problem with Google is it’s use of retrieval augmented generation, where it’s not just the llm answering, but the llm is searching for information, apparently through its reddit database from that deal, and serving it as the answer. The tip off is the absurd answers are exact copies of the reddit comments, whereas if the model was just trained on reddit data and responding on its own the model wouldn’t produce verbatim what was in the comments (or shouldn’t, that’s called overfitting and is avoided in the training process). The gemini llm on its own would probably give a better answer.
The problem here seems to be Google trying to make the answers more trustworthy through rag, but they didn’t bother to scrub the reddit data their relying on well enough, so joke and shit answers are getting mixed in. This is more a datascrubbing problem then an accuracy problem.
But overall I generally agree with your point.
One thing I think people overlook though is that for a lot of things, maybe most things, there isn’t a “correct” answer. Expecting llms to reach some arbitrary level of “accuracy” is silly. But what we do need is intelligence and wisdom in these systems. I think the camera jam example is the best illustration of that. Opening the back of the camera and removing the film is technically a correct way to fix the jam, but it ruins the film so it’s not an ideal solution most of the time, but it takes intelligence and wisdom to understand that.