I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to bonk the immutable Stans over the head with this logic, but it never works. They install bazzite, play their game of choice on steam and occasionally use their web browser and “ALL NEW USERS MUST USE BAZZITE ITS SO EASY”

Any distro is easy when you use it like a fucking Sony PlayStation.

I guess I just don’t expect most beginners to want to read the breaking changes. Like when firmware packages recently changed, pacman paru yay and octopi don’t tell you about those breaking changes. You just get an error when you try to update. If you read the notes, you know to uninstall the old package, install the new ones, problem solved. What about using meld to merge pacnew? I don’t expect someone in their first week of Linux to figure it out. Even if they can learn it, I don’t expect a lot of users to want to.

Maybe I need to have more faith in people? I stuck to Ubuntu derived distros for about a year before I took on Fedora, and then eventually EndeavourOS where I learned the ins and outs of managing an Arch based system. I learned a lot, and I learned it gradually, which worked well for me, so I don’t try to throw other new users in the deep end of the pool.

I am a cachy user, and this is the worst possible advice. Arch based distros are not for brand new Linux users.

Just spitballing, because honestly the amount of effort that must go into sustaining this attack in the long term just baffles me. Like, why?

I wonder if it could be a state actor? I can imagine that the powers that be in MANY countries could be motivated to keep users away from operating system software that isn’t spyware.

My vote is Fedora, but Pop is a good choice as well.

Maybe I’ve been hitting the hopium pipe too hard….

Yeah. But for a kid who’s not going to give a shit about the difference between snaps and flatpak, just install mint or Ubuntu and call it a day. Unless you’re popping the hood and rifling around breaking things, they basically install and administrate themselves.

Maybe I’m on one about it because the last time I was on this subject someone was suggesting Debian for a young kids first computer to play Minecraft on. Debian is good for a lot of things, but not that, and when someone says any Linux distro is “easy” I think “someone who knows nothing about Linux can run it just fine” easy.

So they’re all just going to spring for new machines when Microsoft pulls the plug on win10?

I have a 5 year old niece and 73 year old father in law running Ubuntu. Everything is relative right? To me they’re Linux illiterate, if not computer illiterate. It’s not meant to be an insult, and I’m regularly amazed by some folks inability to get what they’re looking for out of a search engine.

All I’m getting at, is that Debian isn’t “easy” to everyone.

Setting engine timing when replacing a timing belt is easy to my brother in law who’s a car guy, but if I watched a YouTube video on it I’d probably still botch the job and blow my motor. It’s easy to him. Not to me.

To us it’s easy, but not to the computer illiterate. Debian is at least as difficult to a Linux illiterate newcomer as Fedora is. You want functional multimedia codecs? Thumbnails for video files? Drivers for your Nvidia card? Drivers for peripherals that aren’t directly supported by the kernel? Distributions that people like us avoid, mint, Ubuntu, etc, make all of that happen for you, or at least guide your hand. A newbie installing Debian for the first time isn’t even going to know what they don’t have and need to find.

I see this attitude a lot, and it does nothing for the Linux community. We’re about to be flooded with ex windows users in a few short months, and they arent RTFM certified Linux users like we are. Repeating the mantra of “read the documentation” and “it’s easy already, duh” is just going to leave those people begrudgingly buying new hardware that they don’t need when they hit those early Linux speed bumps and see comments like yours making them feel like idiots.

I guess the takeaway for me is despite making some strides in last couple years nvidia is still just kinda janky on Linux. Good luck getting to the bottom of it.

Anecdotal and likely not very helpful, when I was running a laptop with a 2060, I regularly had freezing issues launching steam, that would freeze the entire desktop on whichever I display I launched it on for anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute. The same issue occurred across multiple Linux distros running multiple Nvidia proprietary driver versions.

I built a desktop with an AMD GPU to solve the problem and it worked. I really wish I could give you something better than that.

You make it sound like they have a choice in the matter. They don’t.

Clearly you don’t understand any fucking thing about the topic. SUSE, the IT corporation from which openSUSE derives its name, has a similar relationship to that of Redhat and Fedora. They aren’t shooting themselves in the foot, their benefactor wants them to rebrand so that openSUSE isn’t branded the same as the IT product that SUSE sells.

Chameleons are masters of camouflage, Camo Linux?

They hiss when they’re pissed. Hiss Linux? SSSSSlinux? What about Prehensiletongix?

I said “everything but” meaning roasting your meat on a stick is the only thing I saw here that looks original.

I went to steam page and watched the video. I’m sorry if you don’t like hearing the criticism, but the gameplay, animal behavior, the visuals, everything but roasting your meat on a stick looks like a blatant copy. Come on man, you know what you did here.