Why did this happen? Like in what circumstance does it make sense to delete tge originals and replace them with slop?
Same with a union, talk to your representative. Failing that, complain about your rep to the guys above them.
They are represented, in government. We’re going in circles here.
The interests of different groups of workers can be diametrically opposed, or literally opposed to the interests of every other group.
Because those independent organizations can have interests opposed to the rest of society. Outside forces, historically the CIA, then amplify the influence of members who support such actions via money, media presence, and “international” support.
When the workers control the government, unions are redundant at best and reactionary bastions that will impede progress at worst, which we saw them stike at the behest if the CIA in Allande’s Chile and Sankara’s Burkina Faso.
I support unions in europe, I don’t support their enemy, the capitalists and their governments.
Workers have better conditions in europe, due to colonial history and crumbs afforded by the threat of socialism, but the state isn’t run by and for the working class as in AES countries.
My definition for socialism is that the working class holds power, as opposed to capital. China, Cuba, Vietnam, all meet that criteria. They use markets, but that doesn’t make them state capitalist as capital doesn’t dictate policy as in capitalist states.
Is your argument that a state is only socialist if they abolish private property on day 1?
purely worker basis
Workers having more crumbs while still being subservient to capital doesn’t make them more socialist.
So it’s state capitalist then?
It uses markets to solve specific problems.
you take the word of the rich when they colour themselves as the government
There are rich whom are party members, and are even less independent than rich people who have no connection to the government. We can infer they are not in control from the government’s actions, from not propping up property prices to reeducating or even executing capitalists who commit social murder.
bizarre to me to be arguing for a nation you’re not a part of.
I’m not a nationalist, this isn’t team sports.
wouldn’t it make more sense to support socialism in the West
Of course I support most any anti-capitalist party. But I’ve pretty much given up hope for the west.
China
Conditions for the workers in China have massively improved over the last 75 years. They continue to improve, as opposed to say, India which continues to export food while farmers hunger.
it’s cheap, including the labour
Due to central planning covering the major industries, everything is cheap in China, when you can get a good meal for 30 cents-2USD, and rent is 300USD, 1500USD/mo goes pretty far.
Cuba, despite 70 years of siege and US-backed terrorism, manages a higher HDI than every Caribbean nation, and a higher life expectancy for her people than America.
Western nations
China doesn’t have the luxury of stripping the global south for labor and resources. There’s a reason all those countries remain eternally “developing” while China actually manages to improve conditions.
Russia
Russia hasn’t been socialist for 35 years.
one of socialism’s core values is the eradication of private ownership, such as private property, which China still has.
Private property has been a useful tool to develop the means of production. The capitalist class however, remains subordinated to the interests of the working class, as such we occasionally see one take a trip to a farm upstate when they step outside their lane. By 2050, Xi said it will no longer be necessary, so we should expect further reductions in the capitalists independence.
I can show you Desellines explicitly supporting Russia against Ukraine.
Yes, opposing the US puppet, or more likely, opposing the US prolonging the war and human suffering, because like every other case of the last 75, the US is the greater evil.
The real question is why I bother responding to this bad faith horseshit.
Not doing this, go justify imperialism somewhere elsr.
When the working class holds state power, a transitionary period as they build the conditions for communism.
Actual Existing Socialism refers to countries that are working towards communism; socialist projects. Today that’s China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, some may argue Venezuela, Bolivia, and others.
Ok, guess I’ll go tell everyone part of an Actually Existing Socialist project to give up and shut it all down because some guy on the internet told me they’re actually authoritarian.
You can’t stay still on a moving train. Your opposition to the west’s enemies, from within the west, is literally just supporting imperialism.
I’m glad nobody on this instance subscribes to that kind of content.
You confuse not supporting America’s hostile actions against foreign countries with supporting the actions by those governments.
The alternative stance, supporting hostile action against, China, Cuba, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc because they’re “authoritarian” is not materially different from the most blood thirsty ghoul who supports hostility because they believe they are inferior people whose labor and resources should be subjugated by the west.
Presumably you’re a liberal who understands Iraq and Libya are not a better places today because we “liberated” them from their authoritarian regime, and maybe you see through zionists who argue in bad faith that we can’t support Palestine because the struggle for LGBT+ rights hasn’t advanced as much, but maybe you’ve noticed a pattern that 1. being subjected to western media and education, you get a wildly distorted perspective of places America intends hostile action, and 2. Supporting hostile action against “the regime” from the west just means hostile action against those people. An Iranian might protest and organize to advance their struggle, the US starving and/or bombing them does not help them.
As far as I can tell, Piefed exists because some people didn’t like that the lemmy devs are communists.
I haven’t looked into piefed, I’m exclusively going off what pro-piefed/anti-lemmy users have said.
32 is half human life expectancy, and a power of 2.
For everyone wondering, the country that coordinated what time and location to shit in the river to maximize the number of turds the mayor swam with when he sceduled his swim to prove the water was fine for the Olympics is third last.