• I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    3 years

    Wrong, annoying animations was Flash’s thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes

    • float@feddit.de
      3 years

      Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what’s being loaded currently.

  • rothaine@beehaw.orgEnglish
    3 years

    “Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript”

    We call it TypeScript

    • bjornp_@lemm.ee
      3 years

      I heard they’re looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without tsc.

      There’s at least a proposal which I hope they’ll continue with.

  • asyncrosaurus@programming.dev
    3 years

    I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.

    Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn’t need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google’s mainpage, you need a server side rendering.

    At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I’m building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.

      • AgentEnder@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3 years

        Yeah, I’ve personally been using react and vite-plugin-ssr to static render things and while there’s been a few bumps it still feels pretty nice

  • Feyter@programming.dev
    3 years

    I thought that’s what GIF was created for… Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.

  • wia@lemmy.ca
    3 years

    Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫

    • BrucePotality@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3 years

      Don’t worry about, JS is a fine language and is used by all of the top companies. If you want to get a job as a software developer you have decent odds if you learn JS

      • FoxBJK@midwest.socialdeleted by creatorEnglish
        3 years

        As someone currently job hunting - native JS isn’t enough anymore. Everyone wants React devs. I see some posts for Vue or Angilar and sometimes even TypeScript but the vast majority want React coders now.

        • towerful@programming.dev
          3 years

          Very true.
          If you are learning JavaScript, typescript is absolutely worth learning as well.
          React and Vue have some additional paradigms, but it is basically just JavaScript/typescript.
          It’s a lot to learn all in one step.

          I guess it’s like trying to learn C# and Unity all in one

    • garyyo@lemmy.world
      3 years

      If you don’t hate a programming language you simply haven’t used it enough or are delusional. Every language sucks in its own special way, js ain’t special.

      • z3n0x@feddit.de
        3 years

        cue “if those kids could read they’d be very upset”

      • Reliant1087@lemmy.world
        3 years

        I agree with you that every language has its flaws but JS feels like it was a hodgepodge created without any design philosophy in mind. I don’t use C or lisp in day to day work but I can appreciate their philosophies and power. Can’t say the same about JS.

        • fkn@lemmy.world
          3 years

          That’s because it literally is the result of mozila, Microsoft and later Google fighting about what the right language choices were/are. Browser detection scripts and shims are still a thing, but back in the day we had to code that shit by hand every, and I mean every, minor version release of every browser.

          • Reliant1087@lemmy.world
            3 years

            This is super interesting. But why isn’t HTML or CSS a similar mess? I found their structure to be more logical than JS. Parts of JS feels like it’s intended as a backend language but parts of it don’t.

            • fkn@lemmy.world
              3 years

              Wait, you don’t think html is a mess? Lol.

              Css benefited from coming much later than the other two… But it also has issues.

                • fkn@lemmy.world
                  3 years

                  Lol. That’s like saying js is ok as long as you never use the parts that 90% of js developers use.

        • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
          3 years

          If it has a design philosophy, it’s “never show an error, even when the user is wrong”.

    • ursakhiin@beehaw.org
      3 years

      JS is fine. But as with any tool it’s not the best for every scenario.

      The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it’s overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.

    • Kayn@dormi.zoneEnglish
      3 years

      Don’t let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don’t even use JS themselves.

    • glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org
      3 years

      Honest answer: JS is a shitty language and I despise it. BUT you can learn a ton of stuff with that, all the features (loops, conditions, variables, etc.) that exist in other languages. You will hate JS one day too, but right now it’s good to learn, and when you’ll switch to other languages, you’ll be happy you learned something.

      So yes, JS sucks, but no, it won’t be useless for your future. Keep on working, programming is really fun.

  • voxel@sopuli.xyz
    3 years

    css can do animations, and it’s much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on “modern” websites.
    some websites are even straight up unusable or don’t display anything with js disabled…

    • dukk@programming.dev
      3 years

      Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.

      But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.

        • dukk@programming.dev
          3 years

          However, it uses a lot less JS. It’s only a few lines of JS to replace an HTML element, but a lot more to parse a bunch of JSON and then alter the HTML to reflect that.

  • hellishharlot@programming.dev
    3 years

    PHP dynamic sites, Ruby on Rails, or MVC in whatever language works for you is really what we should be doing